1 00:00:05,910 --> 00:00:04,390 we wanted to take this opportunity to 2 00:00:07,590 --> 00:00:05,920 talk about one of the investigations 3 00:00:09,830 --> 00:00:07,600 that's headed to the international space 4 00:00:11,509 --> 00:00:09,840 station the next cargo craft that's 5 00:00:13,430 --> 00:00:11,519 headed to the orbital complex is planned 6 00:00:15,030 --> 00:00:13,440 to launch next week and one of the 7 00:00:17,510 --> 00:00:15,040 experiments that will be 8 00:00:19,510 --> 00:00:17,520 on board is part of the experiment 9 00:00:21,830 --> 00:00:19,520 called cats or the cloud aerosol 10 00:00:24,150 --> 00:00:21,840 transport system this is going to use a 11 00:00:26,390 --> 00:00:24,160 lidar system pointed back down at the 12 00:00:29,109 --> 00:00:26,400 earth to help create better models of 13 00:00:30,390 --> 00:00:29,119 the planet's climate feedback processes 14 00:00:32,790 --> 00:00:30,400 so we have two gentlemen here this 15 00:00:35,430 --> 00:00:32,800 morning to join us to talk about this dr 16 00:00:37,510 --> 00:00:35,440 matthew mcgill and co-investigator dr 17 00:00:39,110 --> 00:00:37,520 john yorks joining us from nasa's 18 00:00:40,869 --> 00:00:39,120 goddard space flight center in greenbelt 19 00:00:42,869 --> 00:00:40,879 maryland good morning good morning good 20 00:00:44,470 --> 00:00:42,879 morning thanks so much for joining us 21 00:00:47,910 --> 00:00:44,480 matt can you tell me where the idea for 22 00:00:51,990 --> 00:00:49,590 sure nicole thanks 23 00:00:54,950 --> 00:00:52,000 the the cloud aerosol transport system 24 00:00:56,389 --> 00:00:54,960 or cats it's a it's an instrument a new 25 00:00:57,350 --> 00:00:56,399 earth science instrument for the space 26 00:00:59,430 --> 00:00:57,360 station 27 00:01:01,430 --> 00:00:59,440 designed to characterize the global 28 00:01:03,830 --> 00:01:01,440 distribution of clouds and tiny aerosol 29 00:01:05,830 --> 00:01:03,840 particles in the earth's atmosphere 30 00:01:07,830 --> 00:01:05,840 the instrument heritage for cats is 31 00:01:09,590 --> 00:01:07,840 derived from our long-standing heritage 32 00:01:11,350 --> 00:01:09,600 in developing 33 00:01:14,390 --> 00:01:11,360 high fidelity instruments for nasa's 34 00:01:16,550 --> 00:01:14,400 high altitude aircraft such as the er-2 35 00:01:17,670 --> 00:01:16,560 the science behind cats derives from our 36 00:01:19,350 --> 00:01:17,680 need to 37 00:01:21,590 --> 00:01:19,360 demonstrate advanced measurement 38 00:01:23,749 --> 00:01:21,600 concepts that can be used on future free 39 00:01:25,270 --> 00:01:23,759 flyer satellite missions 40 00:01:29,109 --> 00:01:25,280 great and can you describe the hardware 41 00:01:32,469 --> 00:01:30,870 sure 42 00:01:34,870 --> 00:01:32,479 cats as you mentioned it's a laser 43 00:01:37,270 --> 00:01:34,880 remote sensing instrument or lidar 44 00:01:40,789 --> 00:01:37,280 and lidar works a lot like radar except 45 00:01:42,789 --> 00:01:40,799 we use low energy pulses of laser light 46 00:01:44,069 --> 00:01:42,799 the cat's instrument has 47 00:01:46,310 --> 00:01:44,079 two lasers each with different 48 00:01:48,710 --> 00:01:46,320 characteristics a receiving telescope 49 00:01:50,550 --> 00:01:48,720 and special photon counting detectors 50 00:01:52,310 --> 00:01:50,560 it's about the size of a household 51 00:01:53,749 --> 00:01:52,320 refrigerator you see in the animation 52 00:01:57,749 --> 00:01:53,759 there 53 00:01:59,109 --> 00:01:57,759 and capability packed into the to the 54 00:02:01,109 --> 00:01:59,119 box 55 00:02:03,030 --> 00:02:01,119 once on iss cats will mount to the 56 00:02:05,270 --> 00:02:03,040 japanese experiment module exposed 57 00:02:06,870 --> 00:02:05,280 facility and it can operate there for up 58 00:02:08,550 --> 00:02:06,880 to three years 59 00:02:10,070 --> 00:02:08,560 john would you explain how this lidar 60 00:02:12,949 --> 00:02:10,080 system measures particulates in the 61 00:02:18,869 --> 00:02:16,070 cats uses a laser that generates three 62 00:02:21,350 --> 00:02:18,879 wavelengths or colors of light 63 00:02:23,190 --> 00:02:21,360 internal to the laser special optical 64 00:02:26,150 --> 00:02:23,200 crystals are used to generate these 65 00:02:27,670 --> 00:02:26,160 wavelengths by taking the energy of two 66 00:02:30,630 --> 00:02:27,680 photons and adding them together to 67 00:02:33,589 --> 00:02:30,640 create a single new photon the final 68 00:02:35,589 --> 00:02:33,599 output beam is made up of all three of 69 00:02:38,949 --> 00:02:35,599 these wavelengths and these photons are 70 00:02:42,070 --> 00:02:38,959 then transmitted to the atmosphere 71 00:02:44,470 --> 00:02:42,080 in groups at the speed of light as the 72 00:02:47,030 --> 00:02:44,480 photons encounter clouds and particles 73 00:02:48,949 --> 00:02:47,040 scattering of the laser beam occurs 74 00:02:50,790 --> 00:02:48,959 very few of these photons are actually 75 00:02:53,350 --> 00:02:50,800 scattered back to the instruments 76 00:02:54,630 --> 00:02:53,360 optical telescope but the ones that are 77 00:02:56,630 --> 00:02:54,640 are 78 00:02:57,830 --> 00:02:56,640 collected and counted by 79 00:02:59,910 --> 00:02:57,840 sensitive 80 00:03:01,509 --> 00:02:59,920 detectors and 81 00:03:03,350 --> 00:03:01,519 electronics 82 00:03:06,710 --> 00:03:03,360 by timing the difference between the 83 00:03:08,309 --> 00:03:06,720 emission and detection of the 84 00:03:10,149 --> 00:03:08,319 photons emitted 85 00:03:12,470 --> 00:03:10,159 we can determine the 86 00:03:15,030 --> 00:03:12,480 altitude of the particles in the earth's 87 00:03:17,990 --> 00:03:15,040 atmosphere thus cats will measure the 88 00:03:19,670 --> 00:03:18,000 vertical distribution of the particles 89 00:03:21,270 --> 00:03:19,680 in the earth's atmosphere 90 00:03:25,110 --> 00:03:21,280 okay and how does the presence of those 91 00:03:28,869 --> 00:03:25,120 particles impact the climate processes 92 00:03:30,830 --> 00:03:28,879 well small particles from desert dust 93 00:03:33,830 --> 00:03:30,840 such as 94 00:03:35,509 --> 00:03:33,840 uh dustin and also 95 00:03:39,990 --> 00:03:35,519 um 96 00:03:42,869 --> 00:03:40,000 known as aerosols 97 00:03:46,309 --> 00:03:42,879 aerosols besides their harmful impact on 98 00:03:48,470 --> 00:03:46,319 human health can also impact climate by 99 00:03:50,390 --> 00:03:48,480 directly 100 00:03:53,670 --> 00:03:50,400 scattering and 101 00:03:54,869 --> 00:03:53,680 absorbing solar radiation they can also 102 00:03:57,110 --> 00:03:54,879 indirectly 103 00:03:58,390 --> 00:03:57,120 influence climate by interacting with 104 00:04:02,949 --> 00:03:58,400 clouds 105 00:04:05,030 --> 00:04:02,959 uncertainties in climate prediction 106 00:04:07,190 --> 00:04:05,040 because they are a key regulator of the 107 00:04:09,030 --> 00:04:07,200 planet's average temperature 108 00:04:10,710 --> 00:04:09,040 water clouds near the surface tend to 109 00:04:12,789 --> 00:04:10,720 reflect sunlight 110 00:04:14,630 --> 00:04:12,799 back to space cooling the earth's 111 00:04:17,430 --> 00:04:14,640 surface while 112 00:04:21,749 --> 00:04:17,440 high ice clouds tend to trap the earth's 113 00:04:24,710 --> 00:04:21,759 radiation and warm the atmosphere 114 00:04:26,550 --> 00:04:24,720 changes in the abundance or location of 115 00:04:29,670 --> 00:04:26,560 these clouds and aerosols can have a big 116 00:04:31,830 --> 00:04:29,680 impact on climate even more so than the 117 00:04:34,469 --> 00:04:31,840 effect of greenhouse gases 118 00:04:35,590 --> 00:04:34,479 computer models that forecast climate 119 00:04:38,070 --> 00:04:35,600 change 120 00:04:39,270 --> 00:04:38,080 will use cats data to improve their 121 00:04:40,550 --> 00:04:39,280 forecasts 122 00:04:43,830 --> 00:04:40,560 and 123 00:04:45,990 --> 00:04:43,840 prediction 124 00:04:47,670 --> 00:04:46,000 okay does the orbital path of the space 125 00:04:49,430 --> 00:04:47,680 station matter in terms of the data 126 00:04:52,230 --> 00:04:49,440 you're going to gather 127 00:04:55,670 --> 00:04:52,240 the iss orbit is a great match with the 128 00:04:57,749 --> 00:04:55,680 goals of the cats instrument the 51 129 00:04:59,749 --> 00:04:57,759 degree inclination orbit provides 130 00:05:01,510 --> 00:04:59,759 comprehensive coverage of the tropics 131 00:05:04,629 --> 00:05:01,520 and mid-latitudes 132 00:05:07,270 --> 00:05:04,639 and it also encompasses the majority of 133 00:05:09,990 --> 00:05:07,280 the earth's population and land masses 134 00:05:12,710 --> 00:05:10,000 in addition the iss 135 00:05:14,150 --> 00:05:12,720 passes over a different location at a 136 00:05:17,029 --> 00:05:14,160 different 137 00:05:19,990 --> 00:05:17,039 local time every time and this permits 138 00:05:21,749 --> 00:05:20,000 studies of data night changes in 139 00:05:23,990 --> 00:05:21,759 clouds and aerosols 140 00:05:26,310 --> 00:05:24,000 which cannot be obtained from polar 141 00:05:28,790 --> 00:05:26,320 orbiting earth science satellites okay 142 00:05:30,870 --> 00:05:28,800 very interesting matt will cats run 143 00:05:33,350 --> 00:05:30,880 continuously and how is it commanded and 144 00:05:34,710 --> 00:05:33,360 controlled 145 00:05:36,710 --> 00:05:34,720 sure 146 00:05:39,350 --> 00:05:36,720 cats is controlled from a very simple 147 00:05:41,350 --> 00:05:39,360 ground station here at goddard using iss 148 00:05:43,270 --> 00:05:41,360 provided software they have a software 149 00:05:44,390 --> 00:05:43,280 package called trek they provide that to 150 00:05:46,629 --> 00:05:44,400 the users 151 00:05:48,230 --> 00:05:46,639 cats is designed to operate autonomously 152 00:05:49,670 --> 00:05:48,240 so once it's on 153 00:05:52,230 --> 00:05:49,680 and we're safe for operation we can 154 00:05:54,390 --> 00:05:52,240 operate for extended periods of time now 155 00:05:56,070 --> 00:05:54,400 because it's a laser when astronauts are 156 00:05:58,390 --> 00:05:56,080 out and about we do turn off the laser 157 00:06:00,070 --> 00:05:58,400 for safety concerns and when there are 158 00:06:02,469 --> 00:06:00,080 docking vehicles 159 00:06:04,070 --> 00:06:02,479 will turn off because the exhaust plumes 160 00:06:06,390 --> 00:06:04,080 from the vehicles can contaminate or 161 00:06:08,230 --> 00:06:06,400 damage our sensitive optics 162 00:06:09,749 --> 00:06:08,240 aside from that we're intended to 163 00:06:11,270 --> 00:06:09,759 operate continuously or near 164 00:06:13,270 --> 00:06:11,280 continuously 165 00:06:14,550 --> 00:06:13,280 sending data in near real time down to 166 00:06:16,390 --> 00:06:14,560 the ground where it's going to be 167 00:06:18,230 --> 00:06:16,400 continuously 168 00:06:20,950 --> 00:06:18,240 injected into these aerosol forecast 169 00:06:22,469 --> 00:06:20,960 models that john talked about okay 170 00:06:24,790 --> 00:06:22,479 i also know that katz is part of the 171 00:06:26,469 --> 00:06:24,800 earth right now campaign can you tell us 172 00:06:29,430 --> 00:06:26,479 how the cat's mission fits in with that 173 00:06:33,590 --> 00:06:31,510 sure 174 00:06:35,189 --> 00:06:33,600 cats is really a cost effective way to 175 00:06:37,749 --> 00:06:35,199 demonstrate new earth science 176 00:06:40,710 --> 00:06:37,759 measurements and new technologies uh 177 00:06:42,950 --> 00:06:40,720 using the iss is a low-cost easy access 178 00:06:44,870 --> 00:06:42,960 platform 179 00:06:46,710 --> 00:06:44,880 technologies in the cat's instrument so 180 00:06:48,790 --> 00:06:46,720 for example the lasers or specific 181 00:06:50,309 --> 00:06:48,800 technologies that are in the detector 182 00:06:52,309 --> 00:06:50,319 receiver chain 183 00:06:53,990 --> 00:06:52,319 they're providing on orbit demonstration 184 00:06:56,309 --> 00:06:54,000 and validation that the technologies and 185 00:06:58,629 --> 00:06:56,319 the measurement concept behind cats are 186 00:07:01,749 --> 00:06:58,639 mature enough and ready to use in the 187 00:07:04,550 --> 00:07:01,759 more demanding more expensive 188 00:07:06,710 --> 00:07:04,560 nasa free flyer missions in the future 189 00:07:08,309 --> 00:07:06,720 we used what we call a build to cost 190 00:07:10,150 --> 00:07:08,319 approach to building cats we think 191 00:07:11,589 --> 00:07:10,160 that's a fiscally responsible way to 192 00:07:14,230 --> 00:07:11,599 approach these 193 00:07:16,950 --> 00:07:14,240 tech demo and risk reduction 194 00:07:18,950 --> 00:07:16,960 measurements for earth science and as uh 195 00:07:21,749 --> 00:07:18,960 space station matures now into an 196 00:07:23,749 --> 00:07:21,759 operational science platform 197 00:07:26,070 --> 00:07:23,759 utilizing that capability for earth 198 00:07:28,629 --> 00:07:26,080 science becomes an exciting new era for 199 00:07:30,150 --> 00:07:28,639 the earth science community 200 00:07:31,909 --> 00:07:30,160 great well thank you both gentlemen for 201 00:07:34,230 --> 00:07:31,919 joining us we really appreciate it again 202 00:07:36,150 --> 00:07:34,240 dr matthew mcgill and dr john yorks from 203 00:07:37,830 --> 00:07:36,160 the goddard space flight center you can 204 00:07:40,469 --> 00:07:37,840 find out more about their research at